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ExNameForUse 53F
4244 posts
6/28/2023 11:24 am
Forgiveness

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ExNameForUse 53F
5764 posts
6/28/2023 11:26 am

But, let's go back to forgiveness... This is what I found today about it, and it has made me smile since it is what I was thinking and doing and often writing about when I tried to answer the question about my endless understanding and being forgiving... unconsciously, not knowing much of a theory, this was my way when I was hurt.

" Forgiveness means different things to different people. But in general, it involves an intentional decision to let go of resentment and anger.

The act that hurt or offended you might always be with you. But working on forgiveness can lessen that act's grip on you. It can help free you from the control of the person who harmed you. Sometimes, forgiveness might even lead to feelings of understanding, empathy, and compassion for the one who hurt you.

Forgiveness doesn't mean forgetting or excusing the harm done to you. It also doesn't necessarily mean making up with the person who caused the harm. Forgiveness brings a kind of peace that allows you to focus on yourself and helps you go on with life."


uncommon1 66M  
1446 posts
6/28/2023 12:04 pm

To me forgiveness is simply letting go
of resentment or vengeance. However,
for those things to get attached to you,
you have to allow those feelings into you.
I believe that being deceived is mostly my
mistake.


ExNameForUse replies on 6/29/2023 11:06 am:
I have proved to myself that whatever I tried to skip and not live through, it has been waiting for me just around the corner... it is why I believe that whatever you feel, you should let it be, as it surely won't be there forever... and when it is gone, then it is gone for good...

jenny14 75T  
90361 posts
6/28/2023 12:21 pm

Ex

This is BRILLIANT! We alone can decide whether and how to forgive and we must not let the ills wear us down forever!


A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. George Bernard Shaw

Jenny


ExNameForUse replies on 6/29/2023 11:51 am:
Jenny, thank you very much for your kind words... it is sometimes difficult to see someone we care for suffering but suffering again is part of the process of recovering... all come in due time, so deas forgiveness, letting go... and moving on with our lives.

DancingDom 74M
22594 posts
6/28/2023 12:39 pm

Learn from any injustices. Forgive, not needed. Move non, we can't live in he past, good or the bad times.

"One Big Sky Covers Us All Equally"


ExNameForUse replies on 6/29/2023 11:08 am:
No dear DD, living in the past is not the option. Some memories will remain, linger, both good and bad, as reminders... but forgiving, at least in my case, is a way to moving on...

rosaenaluin 65F
11039 posts
6/28/2023 1:53 pm

Especially in contact with that person, others call mother, i learned to forgive her.

ALso, staying upset, or angry, or sad, is only keeping you stuck in that moment.
for how ever long....
The person giving you the hard times, does not notice or learn anything, about you staying upset or angry.
So, factually, you are keeping your self stuck in that bad moment, even when that was for years and years.... ago....
I hope this makes sense?

I pitty with her, i recognise she had a real hard time too...

(allthough we, the children were the victim, of her "hard times")
It is as it is.
She was not capable, to do the things she did, differently.
Nor could she accept help. Had no self-understanding.


ExNameForUse replies on 6/29/2023 11:16 am:
Rosa, I totally and fully understand what you are talking about... I was so angry at her, so bitter for having her, and not some other woman as my mother, I think I even started hating her. It was like taking poison daily while being in contact with her.
One day I came across a line saying "Forgiveness means giving up all hope for a better past."
Another was about accepting that our parents did the best they knew.
And yes, the past is past and it can't be better than it is.
And yes, she did some horrible things, said some horrible things, and it was the best she could do. Because she is a horrible person.
And there was nothing I could do about it. Because she never saw anything wrong in her behavior.
When I realized that, it was kind of easy to decide to leave her where she belongs - in my past.

grywolf2 73M
3117 posts
6/28/2023 3:03 pm

Moving on is a form of forgiveness, is it not?


ExNameForUse replies on 6/29/2023 11:16 am:
In my mind, yes, it is.

drmgirl622 68F  
26126 posts
6/28/2023 4:08 pm

I can usually forgive pretty easy but when I'm very hurt or feel betrayed I just plain ignore the offender. Right or wrong it's my way of dealing with it.


ExNameForUse replies on 6/29/2023 11:17 am:
Nothing wrong there, Dreamy. We all know what's best for us. And it is how we should do things.

bdsmDOMdaddy 61M
4184 posts
6/28/2023 4:09 pm

I agree w all you say Ex grief is personal everybody copes w iT in their own way & time frame
you forgive for you to move on not for their consciences
enjoy your nite hope all is well big hug for you!


ExNameForUse replies on 6/29/2023 11:19 am:
All is well, BDD, thank you... sending hugs back your way
Forgiveness is, in my case, always a "self-care" act, and has very little to do with the other person.

Artschoolgrad 47M
8742 posts
6/28/2023 5:36 pm

I love reading these "working through emotions" posts and all the replies. always gets me thinking. so thank you for posting!


ExNameForUse replies on 6/29/2023 11:29 am:
Thank you Arty for taking the time to stop and read... it is what my thoughts are occupied most of the time, where I learn from, and as you said - where I can read comments others put and learn about their experiences, points of view, or just their perspective or perception... so many times it was eye-opening and helpful when needed

boh99 68M
3154 posts
6/28/2023 9:12 pm

many decades ago, I was hurt and betrayed by someone - forgiveness for me meant - yes you hurt me, I'll always be wary and never in a position with you to let it happen again and I won't let you control me through my anger. When I released my hurt and bitter anger after carrying it for years, I actually felt my heart soften - a physical manifestation of such an emotional thing.

Kicking them out of their rent free place in my head was one of the best things I ever did !


ExNameForUse replies on 6/29/2023 11:33 am:
Kicking them out of their rent-free place in my head was one of the best things I ever did! - Boh, this is exactly what I think forgiving is all about... setting yourself free, clearing your mind from unnecessary thoughts, your soul and heart of painful emotions... it is like releasing from an addiction to something so very poisonous...

JohnnyLightning 65M  
9678 posts
6/28/2023 10:14 pm

Forgiveness is a big part of letting go of resentments which Can Eat You Alive.

Howling at the moon and mal ad osteo.


ExNameForUse replies on 6/29/2023 11:38 am:
I can relate to "Can Eat You Alive", JL... in my case, both with my mother and my partners, I literally came to the point where I had to choose between being eaten alive by my unhappiness, and anger (with my mother), or to let that all go accepting a fact - I am better than for living a bitter life.

rydermantel 69M
25504 posts
6/28/2023 10:50 pm

Every situation and set of experiences is unique. Forgiveness is an abstract concept.


ExNameForUse replies on 6/29/2023 11:42 am:
Now when we talk here and share our thoughts and opinions, yes it is very abstract, I agree... as well as it is very personal and individual.
When you live with a burden of injustice, or betrayal, or deception being done to you, then deciding to forgive and let go is very actual and realistic. And not always an easy decision to make... not for everyone.

brandygirasol 55T
9435 posts
6/29/2023 4:16 am

To err is human and to forgive is divine....😌


ExNameForUse replies on 6/29/2023 11:47 am:
It is human to make errors, I agree, as long as a person doesn't repeat them when they then are not errors anymore but are becoming intentions.
But that's another topic... either way, forgiving or moving on and leaving the table where respect is no longer served is a divine thing a person can do and save themselves from pain and hurt. We should be doing that for us, not for them.

subdude2Bsubdued 76M
350 posts
6/29/2023 2:14 pm

I have to agree with you, Ex, on this topic. I see it as a purely personal decision we choose (or don't choose) to make when considering whether to forgive someone for some wrongdoing or misdeed or grievous insult he/she may
have committed against us, Each of us will experience (and react to) differently a perceived offense against us. Noone can decide FOR us to forgive or not, whether that forgiveness be verbally expressed to the malefactor, or one that , albeit heartfelt and genuine, we keep to ourselves and never make known to the offender. I think your instincts to be understanding and forgiving in order to rid yourself of an internally cloying or "crippling/hobbling" resentment and anger are well-intentioned and commendable, and, in some way, liberating, in this very jettisoning process. Whether we choose to forgive or not. I would further agree with you that our doing so does not necessarily mean we must forget or excuse the harm done to us, especially if the malefractor, himself, shows not one iota of contrition or remorse --of regret or compunction-- for having done to us what he did. In a worst case scenario, for example, I cannot imagine the parents of a murdered offspring to ever be forgiving to the perpetrator of the vile act, regardless of whether he/she expresses his/her seemingly heartfelt sorrow to them in court, before being remanded to prison. Some acts, by the very level or degree of harm they have brought to bear (i.e., by their very heinous nature), or by the harmful intent that motivated such acts, seem truly unforgivable.& unpardonable. Even a priest , I would think, might have his doubts about the expressed penitence (or value therefrom) of a wrongdoer, but I do not presume to have the answer as to the effectiveness of penance undergone by a sinner or of the forgiveness bestowed upon the sinner by others, including a clergyman. That kind of forgiveness, I suppose, can only come from a higher power.


ExNameForUse replies on 6/30/2023 12:54 am:
Thank you for your comment, subdude.

rosaenaluin 65F
11039 posts
6/30/2023 4:38 am

When i talk with my sister about our "mother", i sometimes can get really very angry, about all the shit that happened...
It is about injustice... it is about doing what is right..

But that is just short lived. I dont stay angry.

I was murderously angry, when i heard she died "peacefully"...
WHAT!!
How in hell is that possible??
And that was it.
I see, forgiveness, as something only for the person self. not for the one who did the harm. time and time again...
It is a sign of selflove to forgive and move on,.

My sister understands those emotions.... She also knows i dont stay angry, or am not angry anymore...
She was a mentally sick person.


ExNameForUse replies on 6/30/2023 12:22 pm:
Sending you a tight hug my dear Rosa...

rydermantel 69M
25504 posts
7/2/2023 6:37 am

I was thinking about this in terms of forgiving one's self. We learn from mistakes. Sometimes we say things in anger. Those words can never be taken back. Such words can be more hurtful to ourselves. We don't want the other person to forgive us. We want to forgive ourselves. We feel guilt. If it is that important, can we ever forgive ourselves? Or do we just bury it and move on? We know full well that we cannot bury it forever. It always comes to the surface from time to time. It's just a thought I wanted to share.


ExNameForUse replies on 7/2/2023 7:21 am:
R, it is an interesting question and a perfect addition to this topic...
I know I won't ever forgive myself for certain things, words spoken, and the pain they caused. I can keep trying to bury them, but there is not enough depth to do that.
It is the regret I will live with and leave this world with.


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