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ExNameForUse 53F
4233 posts
4/9/2024 5:06 am
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ExNameForUse 53F
5739 posts
4/9/2024 5:11 am

The spring is most definitely here and tulips are everywhere. so today when I go out for a walk and to see my dentist, most definitely a bouquet of nice tulips will come home with me... and I can't wait to see them around... and, yes most definitely -

You don’t need to forgive to heal. Not everything is forgivable.


pzkw 63M  
1275 posts
4/9/2024 5:22 am

Good luck at the dentist!


ExNameForUse replies on 4/9/2024 10:07 am:
All went well, thank you, just a regular 6-month check-up 😊

brandygirasol 55T
9430 posts
4/9/2024 5:24 am

My Dear Ex💋 ...Some people don't deserve forgiveness... ❤️HUGS❤️


ExNameForUse replies on 4/9/2024 10:08 am:
Exactly, Brandy, dear friend... no hard feelings left for them, but no forgiveness either

1benquick 71M
596 posts
4/9/2024 5:45 am

It's ALWAYS taken me more than a while to forgive someone for a wrong they've committed against me, and I'm sure your last sentence in your post is VERY true, although, I don't think I've suffered such a traumatic event in my lifetime, personally.
The memories of my worst times in my life all come rushing back when this topic is ever brought up, the lies, thievery, betrayals, and all the other 'WORST THINGS' in someone you never imagined you'd see and EXPERIENCE. But, I DID see and experience them first hand, and perhaps the 'forgiving' was SO hard because I know in MY HEART, I would never treat someone that way, making it all the more DIFFICULT to understand why I was treated that way. In the end, forgiving was really rather EASY, because I KNEW it to be the 'right thing to do'. But the person or persons I forgave never really seemed to care all that much, as if they had justification for what they'd done. And, so, they've been eliminated from my life, as though they never existed, no HATRED, LOATHING, or WISHING THEM ILL HEALTH, BAD LUCK, or their comeuppance, for vengeance is for fools. They ARE nothing to me, they exist but their existence means and IS nothing to me. I don't talk about them, good or bad, when the subject turns to discussions about them, I speak in generalities, without animosity, but also without praise, I'm neutral, neither FORE or AGAINST, as if speaking about PARSLEY...they are NO LONGER an ACTIVE part in my life, not even 'someone that I used to know', as if they never existed, we never met, and I'm at peace KNOWING I forgave them of all the bad things that they were responsible for doing that inflicted SO much pain on me, they have to live with that and continue to 'JUSTIFY' those deeds in their minds for the rest of their lives, I'm over it...


ExNameForUse replies on 4/9/2024 10:14 am:
I feel and act the same way you do when the topic occurs, I just don't feel the need to forgive them for anything they did. It was not an event, that happened by accident. It was the way they treated me always, as a way of living back then. So, no - no forgiveness for them. They don't exist for me either, my brother passed away in the meantime, and I felt nothing, no loss, no sorrow, nothing... he was already gone for me, and so are those 2 other people.
Once I realized I don't have to forgive to find my peace, I have found my peace when it comes to them.

bdsmDOMdaddy 61M
4134 posts
4/9/2024 5:57 am

you forgive for yourself to let it go move on never for them
agreed some things are unforgivable
yes you can use that emotion to motivate you fuel you keep you focused on something else drive you into another direction
just cuz you forgive doesn’t mean you forget
I luv tulips Ex big hug gentle kiss you can plant your tulips on me anytime gorgeous!


ExNameForUse replies on 4/9/2024 10:19 am:
My point is just the other way around BDD - I don't have to forgive so that I can move on. I can live in peace knowing some people are so mean that they don't deserve my forgiveness, and I don't feel well with the thought of forgiving them. I feel as though I would justify their wrongdoing with that forgiveness. Which would be self-destructive and self-harmful.
So, I won't forgive, don't need to forgive and it is the best thing I can do for myself so that I can move on.
Mean will remain mean and they will not be forgiven. And I can move on in peace with that.

drmgirl622 68F  
26080 posts
4/9/2024 7:04 am

There are very, very few people that hold a negative space in my head. They will not be forgiven but the lessons learned shape my day to day life.

I love your tulips and my Easter Lily is taking quite a while to bloom


ExNameForUse replies on 4/9/2024 10:21 am:
Thank you, Dreamy. I am glad you understand my point. Not to forgive, not to forget and apply lessons learned. That all.

Plzrmeister 67M  
10402 posts
4/9/2024 8:38 am

I'm glad to read you don't think everyone or everything needs to be forgiven ... You need not do any forgiving at all. Getting past things .... Well, that's a different story.

That lady certainly has some nice 'tulips'! The dentist? I hope it's merely for a cleaning and not a procedure.

Make Women Female Again


ExNameForUse replies on 4/10/2024 1:36 am:
I am having difficulties moving on. It is true. There are too many things I tried to do so hard - to understand why they did what they did, what they said, neglected, humiliated me, or whatever else they did - and that digging into their reasons (I wanted to understand so that I could forgive them ), made me just stuck deeper in my misery.
We are taught to be nice, kind, understanding forgiving, oh that is so noble, right... we are "above" all that shit (pardon my language)... well it is not true. At least not in my case. Getting past things can come only with addressing things for what they are. And accepting that they are so wrong and therefore unforgivable.
That is not making me less kind, nice, or "noble". It is making me smart enough to know what happened, what my boundaries are, and that they have crossed them too many times.

JohnnyLightning 65M  
9650 posts
4/9/2024 8:58 am

It's good to forgive people just be slow to forget.

Howling at the moon and mal ad osteo.


ExNameForUse replies on 4/10/2024 1:29 am:
It is what we are taught. I disagree that it is always good to forgive.

DancingDom 74M
22567 posts
4/9/2024 9:32 am

Transgression of most sorts can be forgiven over time. Otherwise it just eats on you. But, weather you do forgive or not. never forgets the transgressions occurred. Whatever happened, you don't want it to happen again. Others may show signs of what happened, hopefully we pay attention and don't let them happen again.

"One Big Sky Covers Us All Equally"


ExNameForUse replies on 4/9/2024 10:24 am:
Do you know what's been eating me, DD?
Thinking of forgiving some disgusting things that's been done, or words said to me.
That's what's been eating me. It would be the utmost act of self-disrespect to forgive what's not forgivable.
Do you know when it has stopped eating me, DD?
When I realized that I don't have to forgive what's unforgivable in order to move on and live my life in peace with that fact.

likeithot19 62M
6010 posts
4/9/2024 11:11 am

I agree with bdsmDOMdaddy, You do not forgive them and you never forget... But you move on. Not sure if I shared a story with you but I will again. I moved on from my ex. To me she is dead, that person no longer exists for me. So I took my kids to a restaurant, back in the day, and some guy comes running over to talk with my son. He goes on how he had spent the day at the beach and my son's Mom, my ex, was there. I looked up at him and said, I did not know dead people go to the beach.... well... that ended his conversation with my son, my daughter NEVER looked up, but I saw her smile... Needless to say the man left my table


ExNameForUse replies on 4/9/2024 12:25 pm:
I completely agree with your attitude. This is my relationship now with my mother and my ex-husband. My late brother is already - late.

likeithot19 62M
6010 posts
4/9/2024 11:12 am

Only thing better than roses on a piano would be two lips on an organ


ExNameForUse replies on 4/9/2024 12:28 pm:
Ohhh there were some lovely roses too in the market, but I do not have the piano

DancingDom 74M
22567 posts
4/9/2024 11:55 am

I said most transgressions can be forgiven. I should have added, some just should not be in my view. My first ex, when she had mental issues and became violent. I realized I did not need to forgive her for illness that endangered my life. But the 2nd ex, she lied and lied and had an agenda. It cost me dearly. I did not need to forgive her. I just moved on with my life and did not let it eat on me. Did I forgive her, there was no need, she was out of my life. But I learned from both situations. I have not fgotten and have ever since had my guard up. I don't know the details of what transpired in your situation, so the need to forgive..is something you have wrestled with and have come to a conclusion you that you do not have to forgive. Seems to be a rational decision that suits you best. Its good to look forward.

"One Big Sky Covers Us All Equally"


ExNameForUse replies on 4/9/2024 12:24 pm:
Well to go back to your previous comment about something that will eat me... it is just something that's been planted in our minds - forgive... forgive but don't forget... forgive but learn the lesson... why should I or anyone forgive something that is for US unforgivable?
And where is that idea coming from that if I don't forgive I won't be able to move on, to be in peace, or whatever else?
That toxic thinking is what keeps people stuck in their misery because they are trying so hard to forgive what they feel is for them unforgivable.
And what do we get with that?
A tone of miserable people who can not move on because they can not forgive things that have been done to them.
It is irrelevant what it was and it is not up to anyone to decide what is forgivable and what is not.
Each of us knows what is forgivable or NOT.
And my peace came when I realized that I don't have to be Mother Teresa and forgive some shitty people for their shitty behavior. What brings me peace is to feel free to say they are just that - shit. And leave them in their misery and move on with my life.
Because forgiving is also understanding why they did what they did.
And I don't need or want to understand why certain people do certain things. Because those things are simply unacceptable and unforgivable.

likeithot19 62M
6010 posts
4/9/2024 12:06 pm

    Quoting DancingDom:
    I said most transgressions can be forgiven. I should have added, some just should not be in my view. My first ex, when she had mental issues and became violent. I realized I did not need to forgive her for illness that endangered my life. But the 2nd ex, she lied and lied and had an agenda. It cost me dearly. I did not need to forgive her. I just moved on with my life and did not let it eat on me. Did I forgive her, there was no need, she was out of my life. But I learned from both situations. I have not fgotten and have ever since had my guard up. I don't know the details of what transpired in your situation, so the need to forgive..is something you have wrestled with and have come to a conclusion you that you do not have to forgive. Seems to be a rational decision that suits you best. Its good to look forward.
Life is a test
the outcome is
how we continue on.
Our whole life
think about it
that way


1benquick 71M
596 posts
4/9/2024 1:34 pm

Oh, I NEVER FORGET, otherwise I haven't 'LEARNED' a damned thing...


ExNameForUse replies on 4/10/2024 1:28 am:
I don't forgive. This is is what made me be in peace with myself.

Dave54321 61M
2713 posts
4/9/2024 3:58 pm

I have a similar situation with my sister.
Part of me felt I should forgive her, but then I thought,
I don't see why I should, or feel the need to do so.

Wednesday next week should be interesting.
I'm going to my youngest niece's wedding. I shall be on my best
behaviour of course, wouldn't want to cause any issues on my
niece's big day.
But I can't help but wonder how my sister is going to be.


ExNameForUse replies on 4/10/2024 1:46 am:
Thank you Dave for joining this post and sharing your thoughts. I am glad you understand what I was trying to say. I am sure you will do your part best, but it is not always about what and how we do things.
I wish and hope everything goes well and your sister puts that important day as her priority.
But I have my mother who never did that on any occasion. She has spoiled everything that could have been spoiled with her behavior since I know her. I hope your sister will know better.

rydermantel 69M
25155 posts
4/9/2024 6:22 pm

How beautiful. Much better than tulips on an organ.


ExNameForUse replies on 4/10/2024 1:48 am:
Flowers are flowers - they bloom in most unexpected places 🌹🌺🌻🌼

jenny14 75T  
90335 posts
4/10/2024 12:58 am

Ex

I like the last paragraph and have used it in my life with some people!

I hope you can do the same!


A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. George Bernard Shaw

Jenny


ExNameForUse replies on 4/10/2024 1:41 am:
Jenny, this is what I am talking about - there are no hard feelings left for them, but for some reason, if we say that someone did something wrong, many think you hold grudges and you should forgive.
Being rational, and saying the truth doesn't mean I am stuck. It means that I see things for what they are. And I leave them where they are with me out of it.


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