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pac369 64F  
10505 posts
5/30/2021 10:20 am

Last Read:
7/22/2021 5:02 pm

Some of a Submissives Needs...

See Below...


~ Physical strength is measured by what we carry. Inner strength is measured by what we can bear. ~


pac369 64F  
12700 posts
5/30/2021 10:41 am

I need to feel safe....

I need to know You accept me for all I am.....

I need to have clearly defined limits.....

I need You to be consistent....

I need to expand my limits.....

I need You to teach me....

I need goals.....

I need to be corrected.....

I need You to be my role-model.....

I need Your approval and reassurance....

I need to be able to express myself.....

I need to learn from my mistakes.....

I need forgiveness when I fail You.....

I need to feel I contribute.....

I need to enjoy successes.....

I need to share with You.....

I need to feel loved, respected, and protected in Your ownership/relationship....

~Unknown~

If a Dom doesn't do this at a minimum I think it's clear what his intentions are?? There is a huge difference between hooking up, kink, and a relationship... If your not sure as a Dom what you seek?? Maybe read the list again... It tells you all you need to know as far as I am concerned...

~ Physical strength is measured by what we carry. Inner strength is measured by what we can bear. ~


OldJeakel 73M
377 posts
5/30/2021 10:57 am

yes to all of the above in any good relationship and especially between a Dom and sub


pac369 replies on 5/30/2021 11:02 am:
Thank you OJ... Glad to hear that..

casio26 63M
2563 posts
5/30/2021 10:58 am

Only one mistress I seen could complete this list.
I thought it was me


pac369 replies on 5/30/2021 11:03 am:
I hope that made you feel better casio?? Because I doubt it was you.. Thanks for your comments..

FL_Firmhand 64M

5/30/2021 11:28 am

I would only make two changes for clarification purposes.

I need clearly defined HARD limits
I need to expand my SOFT limits

Once agreed to I personally would never challenge a hard limit that was agreed to


pac369 replies on 5/30/2021 1:29 pm:
Good points FL.. Thanks for sharing that...

DancingDom 74M
22594 posts
5/30/2021 11:55 am

Great post.

"One Big Sky Covers Us All Equally"


pac369 replies on 5/30/2021 1:31 pm:
Thank you DD! Glad you liked it...

casio26 63M
2563 posts
5/30/2021 11:59 am

Thankyou pac.
It gives me something to ponder


pac369 replies on 5/30/2021 1:33 pm:
Alright casio... I hope it helps you out..

Aislin 39F  
8605 posts
5/30/2021 12:04 pm

That is an excellent list and all very important. I have often wondered if I am offering all that when I indulge into a play session as it was given and taught to me.

What a lovely post really as you keep my brain circulating with lofty memories


I am aroused by my own darkness and there is no cure.


pac369 replies on 5/30/2021 1:37 pm:
I appreciate that Aislin.. But I also understand play and relationships are different. And I imagine it would be hard to have this list work for just play sessions?

But I am always thrilled to make you think and bring back memories! That is awesome..

ExNameForUse 53F
5764 posts
5/30/2021 1:56 pm

What a lovely post! Summed up all I ever needed... thank you for sharing.


pac369 replies on 5/30/2021 2:02 pm:
You are very welcome.. So glad you like it!

Congressor 54M

5/30/2021 1:57 pm

A very comprehensive list, pac369.
One thing I would add, as I believe it to be a serious omission (for me, at least)...is the element of SURPRISE.
Both Dom and sub must be able to surprise each other. Not incessantly of course. But without surprise, we all grow stale, and resentment follows over time.
Regrettably, I accept that I have failed in this respect in the past. In other ways too, no doubt!
Physician, heal thyself....


pac369 replies on 5/30/2021 2:04 pm:
That is quite a admission about yourself Congressor... And so important I think! Thank you for sharing your thoughts..

SociallyTwisted 57M
244 posts
5/30/2021 2:43 pm

"If a Dom doesn't do this at a minimum I think it's clear what his intentions are?? There is a huge difference between hooking up, kink, and a relationship... If your not sure as a Dom what you seek?? Maybe read the list again... It tells you all you need to know as far as I am concerned..."

Here Here!


pac369 replies on 5/30/2021 3:11 pm:
Thank you twisted... I appreciate the support..

nastydaddy1000 63M
29 posts
5/30/2021 3:37 pm

Completely get this and can only agree.


pac369 replies on 5/30/2021 4:57 pm:
Thank you so much!

bossmanrob 64M
82 posts
5/30/2021 4:27 pm

Where in WI?


pac369 replies on 5/30/2021 4:57 pm:
Milwaukee metro..

drmgirl622 68F  
26126 posts
5/30/2021 4:31 pm

Each of these are so critical to relationship success.


pac369 replies on 5/30/2021 4:58 pm:
I really agree drmgirl.. And harder to find than it should be I fear..

jenny14 75T  
90361 posts
5/30/2021 9:18 pm

pac

I hope this is widely read by both dom/mes and subs!


A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. George Bernard Shaw

Jenny


pac369 replies on 5/31/2021 6:34 am:
Thank you Jenny... I appreciate that...

Aislin 39F  
8605 posts
5/31/2021 3:34 pm

"And I imagine it would be hard to have this list work for just play sessions?"

Your question is on point really and I can say, I have spent months with those I have played with (before playing) so it's never a random type person coming to my home. But yes, your list still applies and I feel it should apply as I am their care giver as well while they are at my home.

And at first I thought too, why should I care but I have a masochist that travels to visit me every three months and finally I have realize his trust in me has indeed grown and the sight of him I found utterly beautiful because of his trust.

So yes, your list is excellent


I am aroused by my own darkness and there is no cure.


pac369 replies on 5/31/2021 4:36 pm:
It is so refreshing for me to hear your views on this list Aislin... I really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and experiences... Please know I learn so much from you... Thank you!

NoNonsense_Dom 70M  
1539 posts
6/27/2021 2:12 am

Pac a very good post and I agree, but a couple of things to clarify, for the others. HARD Limits are just that, and they are NOT set by You the dominant. They are set by the submissive. If you don't like them, then that submissive is NOT for you.

There are 2 things that I would add to that list, and they are total honesty, and the encouragement to grow and develop, to be nurtured. And that growth is to include you as the dominant. If you the dominant, are not part of that growth, don't be surprised if the submissive out-grows you and starts to look for future circumstances in which to live her/his kinky life.

Now coming back to those limits, it is my suggestion that submissives participate in nearly everything at least twice, so that they get a chance to experience what this life has to offer. But I would not expect them to do that, until after they have built a trusting relationship with their dominants, and that plenty of discussion has happened first. Submissives that have had bad experiences in the past, need to talk about this with the dominant, e.g. sweet pain against that of domestic violence. Something we can all relate to.

Any dominants that do not want to follow this list art NOT true dominants but predators or pretenders.


pac369 replies on 7/22/2021 5:01 pm:


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