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rondiri 65M
7311 posts
12/31/2022 9:11 am

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1/1/2023 5:20 pm

Submissive vs slave terminology.


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And back to bed I think.

rondiri 65M
11202 posts
12/31/2022 9:11 am

I was asked to define the difference between a submissive and a slave.

First of all, submissive is a catch all term to describe anyone in the BDSM Community with submissive tendencies, whether:
Submissive
Slave
Brat
Little/middle
Smart ass masochist
pet
Princess or any other term or combination of terms. Yes, many submissive’s in the modern BDSM world relate themselves to multiple terms as a submissive.
Don’t get all irate Traditionalist readers, I’ll get to THAT definition.
As time has passed and learning and knowledge has eroded, as well as times changing, so dynamics had to keep up. The terms have become blurred. Many modern day Community members just pick the term that they believe they relate to or like the best. (slave is a lot easier to say than submissive? Or it has a more serious connotation?)
So, the Traditional definitions of a submissive and a slave.
A submissive retains rights to make their own decisions. They negotiate or set their limits. They use safe words. They live their life as they see fit within the dynamic that they negotiated with a Dominant. The dynamic is much less rigid and fluid. The submissive closely resembles the 1950s housewife in America.
A slave in the traditional thinking is a submissive who choses and owner, and over time builds the trust and dynamic that allows them to give up, voluntarily, all rights and freedoms to their Master. They make no choices in the dynamic, they do not have limits, trusting in the Master to keep the submissives health, safety and wellbeing as a paramount concern. The slave lives to serve their Master. They make themselves the property of their Master.
Ok, I can hear the buts, and complaints coming. I didn’t create these definitions. They have been around for decades, maybe centuries.
There are those in the Community that stick to the traditional definitions and there are those that chose to pick what term will be used in the dynamic.
I’m not going to say which is right and wrong. Because like everything BDSM. It’s what works for YOU.If you like to join groups, fair warning. Many traditional groups WILL NOT accept brats, littles/middles, or anything but traditional value submissives and Dominants.
And more modern groups will remove you if you talk about the traditional value.
Acceptance, though it SHOULD be, in the Community, Doesn’t always happen.
© 12/30/22 Ronald Dirienzo


1painmaker 44M
66 posts
12/31/2022 12:03 pm

You take yourself entirely too serious!!


rondiri replies on 1/1/2023 5:12 pm:
says the guy with a dick pic trying to impress women.

UKmidsDom 65M
1 post
12/31/2022 12:56 pm

A very good summary of the 2 definitions - arguably the extremes between each everyone in the community finds their own place


rondiri replies on 1/1/2023 5:12 pm:

4_Fun_4_Me 65M
188 posts
12/31/2022 10:21 pm

I disagree with your definition of Submissive vs. Slave.
Might I offer a shorter clearer version. A submissive has a choice. A slave doesn't. Period.

A submissive can either 'Stop' or leave at anytime. A slave cannot.


rondiri replies on 1/1/2023 5:14 pm:
Yes, Old Guard. And the slave COULD ALWAYS leave, by revoking consent or maybe you think slavery is still legal?

looking4fat 72T

1/1/2023 3:19 am

Good article, Ron. And i am glad to see you back. (i was more than a little worried when i didn't see a new Blogs here.) i hope You recover quickly.

As to the sub/slave "controversy," the definitions of words do change over time. (Is that called language drift?) The most dramatic change (for me anyway) lately has been "friend." When i was young (and up until a couple decades ago) a friend was an emotionally close associate that one had frequent contact with and with whom one shared many interests. Now, "friend" is a social media contact that one may NEVER actually see in person and with whom one may have very little in common.

If a word like that can change SO dramatically in such a short time, is there any wonder that words within our special interest niche drift also?

My "gurl name" is Kate Coxuker. It is who i am and what i do.


rondiri replies on 1/1/2023 5:16 pm:
Thanks. This bug really clobbered me and Courtney was stuck at home working 4 straight 5:30 - 1:30 day shifts with no way to get to me.

rydermantel 69M
26028 posts
1/1/2023 4:16 am

    Quoting 1painmaker:
    You take yourself entirely too serious!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR!


manni_pr 52T
2610 posts
1/1/2023 5:55 am

Well explained. I had a previous Dominant to explain this to me a while ago. He could have taken advantage of me but he was clear on it. The slave term seems pretty sexy and romantic from a certain aspect and perspective but it sure carries a lot of responsibility on both sides. This the importance of being with a person you can trust and not just anyone. Thank you again for sharing and Happy New Year!


rondiri replies on 1/1/2023 5:20 pm:
The intensity of the responsibilities on both sides is why I think it became less popular within the traditional definition. Fewer Dominants COULD take the responsibility, especially financially, over a slave. a fewer submissives wanted to give up all their choices.


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