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There are those that say and think that a submissive, especially a slave, gives up their free will when they consent to serve. The reality of the matter is that no one can really give up their free will. We always face a choice when given alternatives and we make that choice based on our thoughts at the time and the free will we all have. Every submissive of any kind, even the slaves of the past, wearing iron shackles and chains, always have/had a choice to obey or rebel. Choosing to obey does not mean that they have given up their free will. It means they used their free will to choose to obey after considering all factors. In the BDSM Lifestyle a submissive always has the choice to end a dynamic, even a slave. There is nothing keeping them bound to the dynamic except their commitment to it. And they use their free will to decide that commitment. Free will is an innate quality in humans. Can it be beaten out of a person over time? Maybe. But even the most beaten down person, given an opportunity to escape, will most likely use their free will to take that opportunity rather than continue in an abusive situation and refuse to take an open door to freedom. A submissive of any kind, should ever think they cannot choose what happens to them even after consent is given. A submissive has the legal right to change their mind at any time and revoke consent or walk away. © 4/9/24 Ronald Dirienzo
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1 post 4/9/2024 2:03 pm |
I disagree.
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There is not such thing as free will. Quantum mechanics is time independent. It is the second law of thermodynamics that gives us time. Relativity tells us that all times have occurred and are recorded. Therefore free will means nothing. Sorry, physics. That does not mean there isn't a psychological or philosophical edge to free will.
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4/9/2024 6:50 pm |
I have been considering this question for a time as well, and I am in agreement. That there is free will is what makes the D/s relationship possible; without that choice, it is something else altogether. I do disagree that free will cannot be “beaten” out of someone by physical, mental, and/or emotional means. You say, “even the most beaten down person, given an opportunity to escape, will most likely use their free will to take that opportunity rather than continue in an abusive situation and refuse to take an open door to freedom.” This is empirically inaccurate. Statistically, it takes abuse survivors 7 attempts to leave their abuser for good. Similarly, historically, many African American slaves were dismayed and upset by the Emancipation Proclamation. One could argue that abuse survivors are simply choosing to return or to stay in the abusive situation or that these freed men and women would have freely chosen to be enslaved if they had been permitted. But I believe that would be taking a rather narrow view of freedom, ignoring generational abuses, torture, conditioning, systematic oppression, and much more. To say that these people retain all the power and faculty of their free will and are able to execute it autonomously is simply inaccurate. Will can be “beaten” out of someone by several methods. It can also be shaped by outside factors and people. I think some subs and slaves are likely conditioned by doms in such a way that their will is too greatly compromised to be recognized as free will at all. In my view, these cases fall outside of the D/s dynamic… they are something else entirely, and I am deeply unsettled by them. As a sub, having my will compromised is part of the allure. I want my brain focused and numbed to its usual wandering. Personally, I would encourage being made a “mindless sex toy” void of any other desire than to please, obey, and feel. However, that desire is only for a duration of time. There is still free will and choice because I understand and know the differences between my “usual” and what I long for. Now my opinion is not without issue. It alleviates some of the concerns with your opinion that free will is always present, but it comes up against another potential concern that I am unable to parry with at this time. What of the sub who is like me in all regards, but who may wish to have their will extinguished permanently or for a long duration of time? I think it is likely one can freely choose to surrender their will, but the issue is the duration of time that the surrender can endure without issue. We are not static beings. We do change, age, grow, age, learn, forget…. So it cannot be the case that one can freely choose to be a slave at this point in time and at all future points in time. It is just an impossibility to my mind. You cannot know what you may want in the future… but we do make future choices in real life all the time. So why not this choice? I’m unsure of where the line is, how it got there, and what factors are at play. This is why I said I am deeply unsettled by some arrangements I consider outside of the D/s dynamic…. I am unsure if I can proscribe any sort of social denouncement concerning them. That is, I am unwilling to say that they are “bad” or “wrong” or “ought” not be permissible. I am agnostic in this regard - unwilling to come to a conclusion. Perhaps in time I will come to some sort of answer after I have had more experiences and gleamed more knowledge of persons in such relationships. Until then, I withhold judgement.
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There is not such thing as free will. Quantum mechanics is time independent. It is the second law of thermodynamics that gives us time. Relativity tells us that all times have occurred and are recorded. Therefore free will means nothing. Sorry, physics. That does not mean there isn't a psychological or philosophical edge to free will.
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sub should always have free will inasmuch as free will exists etc etc
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I disagree. 
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