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Plzrmeister 67M  
2519 posts
2/19/2024 4:21 am

Last Read:
2/20/2024 4:36 am

The Preposition


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Plzrmeister 67M  
10457 posts
2/19/2024 4:41 am

Our blog yesterday ( Writing ) got me thinking about this grammar 'rule' that I'm sure our readers have heard. I've certainly heard it periodically, but to be honest I couldn't define what a preposition is for you, so I write and speak without any concern for this 'rule'. In the meme, I would probably have said something very similar to the first example .... 4 out of 5 would have been OK with it.

Yeah ... No kidding. If I'd ever heard someone say that,, I wouldn't have given it a second thought. In a million years, I wouldn't even have known the sentence ended with a preposition. I Googled the subject and here's what I found out .....The “rule” against doing so is overwhelmingly rejected by modern style guides and language authorities and is based on the rules of Latin grammar, not English. I guess that puts us in the clear

I remember my father told me a story about Winston Churchill when I was a kid. If you know anything about Winston, you know he had a quick wit. in any event, here's the story ..... When Winston Churchill was chastised for ending a sentence with a preposition, he wittily responded. “This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put.” ..... IIs that perfect or what?!?!

Now I'm gonna have Winston Churchill on the brain. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a blog related to him coming up in the near future. I've read through many of his quotes and he certainly had some good ones. OK peanut gallery preposition away!!

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drmgirl622 68F  
26111 posts
2/19/2024 6:10 am

Once, when conversing with that English professor, I knew I had made a grammatical error. To my surprise, she informed me that this was not a test so continue the thought. You know she corrected me after the next sentence, don't you.......it's always a test!


Plzrmeister replies on 2/19/2024 8:19 am:
Those English professors .... Gotta be careful around them. Their eyes and ears are always on high alert.

Well, as long as one remains open to learning, that's really not a bad thing.

Artschoolgrad 47M
8722 posts
2/19/2024 7:59 am

love that Churchill anecdote!


Plzrmeister replies on 2/19/2024 8:21 am:
Me too .... I think that's why I've remembered it all these years.

Were that I was that sharp and witty .........

boh99 68M
3154 posts
2/19/2024 8:32 am

my favorite Churchill story, from the Diaries of Lord Moran, was Churchill met Stalin and they had a wild night of drinking and discussing strategy. Next morning, Churchill is hung over, scrambling to remember what he promised/agreed to when there's a knock on the door.

A messenger from Stalin arrives with a note. It says, don't worry about what we agreed on last night. I've had the translator killed.


Plzrmeister replies on 2/19/2024 8:42 am:
So much for any agreements ....

A tough night to be a translator!

grywolf2 73M
3112 posts
2/19/2024 10:21 am

Communication is all that matters. If someone is understood, f*ck the grammar.

There are so many, but a favorite Churchill quote of mine was:
A woman once said to Churchill, "If you were my husband, I'd poison your tea!", to which he replied, "Madam, if I were your husband, I would drink it!".


Plzrmeister replies on 2/19/2024 11:28 am:
And there's always sign language with no grammar at all .... at least I don't think so. I've always wondered if you put to 'signers' side by side if they'd be in synch while signing what the speaker is saying.

You'd think people would have learned to not try to get one over or 'one up' Churchill. He had a great mind.

ASpecialMaster 77M  
67 posts
2/19/2024 1:50 pm

I have no problem with the preposition rule, but what is arrant pedantry?


Plzrmeister replies on 2/19/2024 1:56 pm:
Arrant ...... 'complete, utter.'

Pedantry ....... 'excessive concern with minor details and rules.'

Dave54321 61M
2718 posts
2/19/2024 2:42 pm

The Churchill quote about the tea is great.
Another that I like.
Minister of Pariliment Bessie Braddock: "Winston, you are drunk, and
what's more you are disgustiingly drunk."
Winston Churchill: "My dear, you are ugly, and what's more you are disgustingly
ugly. But tomorrow I will be sober!


Plzrmeister replies on 2/20/2024 4:20 am:
Once again, Churchill wins the day!

Indeed. He's got tons of great quips ......

Dave54321 61M
2718 posts
2/19/2024 2:58 pm

Those that know all the finer points of grammer, do get mightly
wound up when we lesser mortals make a mess of it.


Plzrmeister replies on 2/20/2024 4:28 am:
It doesn't have to be the 'finer' points. I don't think knowing a complete sentence normally contains a subject and a verb is too complex of a concept. Doesn't make anyone 'lesser' though.

I don't either .... Particularly when we're talking about a person with English as their primary language. If they weren't taught this in school, they got a poor education .... which, unfortunately, seems to becoming more and more common.


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