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rosaenaluin 65F
10126 posts
1/20/2020 3:43 am
Health care?


We in Holland had a pretty good health system, for every ones purse.
Everyone could get good health care, no problem.

Then we did get a right wing gouvernenmt, and they destroyed everything.
(because, they dont give a fuck, they are able to pay the bills Anyway...)

We also had a very good educational system, for everybody a choice, if you were not the university kind or learning but more hands on.
There were possiblities for everybody!

It was great, we had great carpenters, plumbers, welders, real good educated folks.
Folks with pride in their work.
Then those same right wing highly educated peeps all destroyed that too.

Send the real good teachers home, not needed anymore.
So all that knowledge was gone!
Those people, man and woman were not longer needed, they were too old, To whoms standard?

So they mixed all kind of education systems, and the result is, the teachers dont know how to control those , young adults.
Have no infleunce at all.
The most teachers themselfs have just finished their Teachers study and know nothing!
No life experience, nothing! no mental power, no insight in the mind of those with not that much learning capacity.

So, now we have real poor people, wo juggle 2 jobs and have , for wich they can not care, because the have 2 or more jobs, the running around on the street, making havoc.
That whole very stable educational system is just totally destroyed.

Later on, management found out, this is not working, we need those old gaurd guys back in the building.
But, then it was too late, now we have a school system that does not work.
We have a real high number of drop outs, before, that was totally not possible.
So tight and caring was that educational system.
Teachers, nowadays dont care, dont build a bond with those .
Those are just a number
The more numbers, the more money they can ask.

The same with our health system, it was linked with taxes and it worked very good.
Now, only the rich people can pay to go to a doctor, that was impossible some years back.
I have already hear people say; oh, i dont go to the doctor anymore, i cant afford it.
This is basis health care, you know?!
When you fall, or when you have to flu, or all those small incidents sometimes happens in life...

This counts for dental health too.

I think it is criminal to act like that.
Knowingly destroy a very good working system, for EVERYBODY.
Now Healthcare is only possible for the rich or for people who have a very good Insurance.

It is said, i dont know anymore, by who, but it is said,
when a country destroys their own health and educational system, you are talking about a criminal system...

All this started in Holland in 2003 something like that.
Now everybody is in a big panick! Dont know how to stop this avalance...

The same thing is going on with youthcare, first we had a rather good system, also linked with taxes.
We had professional childcare workers, who did not have a 9 to 5 mentallity , but worked with those .
Now, it is a civil servant, with no feeling for what is going on, without any pedagogic knowledge about with mental problems.
So, take their own lifes, because after 5 you are not suppost to have any mental problem.

The system is such a mess!
Nobody knows anymore, because here, also they fired the women and men with heart for their work and those .

No it is just a civil servant who does not give a fuck, lack the mental insight and strength to be able to handle that kind of heavy problems.

So, the way our society was build is totally ruined by those right wing highly educated peeps, who dont give a fuck and lack any empathy and/or human interest.
Their only interest is numbers and profit, no matter what.
Black, empty greedy souls, you can see that in their eyes....

When a society is no longer able OR willing to take care for the weak, that society is on the way to destroy it self.

Its a scale, maybe it can be taken back in balance again.. but i wonder..... what i see, is not a healthy sign.
It is also time of the transition, the big change....
There is worldwide a big group of younger people, wo claim their right and my hope is on them, worldwide.

Kapitalism has had his big era, it is not working, everybody with a half brain can see that...
Especially those right wing peeps are soo terrible afraid of changes....
They desperately try to keep everything under their thumb.
Until it explode back into their own faces.

Everything is connected with everything.

rosaenaluin 65F
11037 posts
1/20/2020 3:52 am

I worry about those world wide systems, who are on their way to just collaps.

It are always the really poor world wide, who pay the price, always.
That is already happening, worldwide.


lancylad 78M
384 posts
1/20/2020 4:31 am

The same is happening here in the UK but the turkeys still voted for Xmas by voting Doris in ! I really don't understand what these selfish Brexiteers expect to happen now but one thing is for sure the Orange one has Doris in his pocket & it doesn't look good for the education or welfare system & as for our National Health System well it's already being sold off to the american privateers !!!! God help all who sail in in the S.S UK !!!!


youlooking4djk 49M
59 posts
1/20/2020 5:15 am

Nice


obedientsubslut9 58M
70 posts
1/20/2020 5:42 am

Keep them poor, keep them uneducated and feed them propaganda; the 'sheeple' will vote for anything. Add in a massive dose of evangelical right wing religious nutjobs or jingoistic nationalists and you have the perfect recipe for the tRumps and Johnsons of this world to be elected.


martinc2004 62M
145 posts
1/20/2020 7:06 am

I don't wish to be a pessimist but I think it will be very hard to put the system back into balance, once it has been knocked out of balance. At best it will be a very long process to replace the ex-workers with the knowledge and experience.


rope_n_cuffs 78M  
949 posts
1/20/2020 7:42 am

I have travelled to Holland since the late 1960's and have seen the decline, but on a recent trip after an absence of a few years I was horrified to see what was happening to a delightful country. I think you are underestimating the influence of the EU on all this. It seems your unique identity has been lost, as is happening in other parts of the EU, in return for "modernisation".
I do not like the administration in the UK, but at least they see some of the problems with the regions and they are removing us from Europe.
In my opinion Trump has been a disaster for the USA and the chickens have yet to come home to roost for him. A second term would be a disaster.
You are right that capitalism has to change or be more regulated to remove wealth differentials.
I feel I lived through better times.


jenny14 75T  
90355 posts
1/20/2020 9:30 am

rosa

This is so sad!

I do not know the answer but extreme Left eg Corbyn or Communism is not the answer!

I think the Best is Centre Right where there is opportunity and incentive but people are cared for too

A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. George Bernard Shaw

Jenny


daveisbad2 68M
6 posts
1/20/2020 10:28 am

To good health!!


PicoTittle 44F

1/20/2020 4:35 pm

I'm just sick of the grouping of health care. I've been exposed, covered, treated through several insurance programs, different companies, they're all represented and misconducted by shut. Mostly dumb broads afraid to lose their shut job playing doormat for outdated practices.


PicoTittle 44F

1/20/2020 4:36 pm

SHIT not shut.


rosaenaluin 65F
11037 posts
1/21/2020 3:34 am

PicoTitlle, I agree with you, when and if you can get in contact with a person, instead of a computervoice, they are soo afraid to think outside the box, are soo afraid to f*ck/ bend with some rules, it is impossible to really have a conversation with them! You keep running around in circles!
Drives me nuts!!
Kafka all over!!
I am thankful i am able to have a good assurance.


rosaenaluin 65F
11037 posts
1/21/2020 3:35 am

daveisbad2, sure is!


rosaenaluin 65F
11037 posts
1/21/2020 3:37 am

jenny, there is difference between communism and some form of socialism to create a healthy society, for all!
Not just the wealthy few.


rosaenaluin 65F
11037 posts
1/21/2020 3:46 am

rope_n_cuffs, indeed, There is no 1 Europe, there a lot of guys and galls too, in Brussels, who have their hands way to deep in the sugarpot, stealing for themselfs.
Dont give a fart about what happens on the human level.
All friends for friends.

We have the orange head in the USA and this orange head the second in England, wich does not make it much better.
I think the brexit is gonna be a really big problem in the long run, or not so long run...
We need that transition, real hard!


rosaenaluin 65F
11037 posts
1/21/2020 3:49 am

MineSirsSub, I am with you! totally, they try to put the view on all those immigrants,
so they can create a mob to hunt down those immigrants.. so they can project their own feelings of anger, or no controle on people who are victums too.
and steal us blind, at the same time.


rosaenaluin 65F
11037 posts
1/21/2020 3:52 am

martinc, that wont work anymore, alas. the whole system is destroyed.


rosaenaluin 65F
11037 posts
1/21/2020 3:56 am

submissive4miss, It is the era of change, but those negative conversative powers are deadly afraid of change, so they will till the end hold on to what is very clearly to everyone, a dead end street.


rosaenaluin 65F
11037 posts
1/21/2020 3:59 am

obedientsubslut9, Applaus!! to you! indeed!


rosaenaluin 65F
11037 posts
1/23/2020 1:37 pm

submissive4miss, Ah, maybe we are wrong, you know? Maybe it is the salvation for the UK...? i really dont know, my gut feelings tell me, it is not a wise decision.

Scotland stays out of the Brexit, i thought? Wants to stay to Europe?
Maybe that is for the better, too, in the long run...?!


rosaenaluin 65F
11037 posts
2/6/2020 2:04 am

submissive4miss, Yes, that was the way this was organized here too. It has nothing to do with all that commies talk, it drives me mad, when people use such an illigale argument.
it is taking your responsibility as the company, where all those people work for.
It is being reliable, Now it is all about making the stockholders happy, more profit, more money they can ever spend in their lifetime.... There must be something mentally wrong with those geezers (f/m)
Thank you for your input, sorry i did not react sooner...



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