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Kinkydom01123 43M

10/5/2021 10:56 am

I am not sure who will actually read this and I hope everyone. Before you do please check whatever opinion you have about either side. If you are reading this just to pick a fight go elsewhere. If you are interested in discussion and dialogue and civility then please continue.

Let’s just start with a few facts:
1. Clean drinking water and vaccines have done more the human race than any other medical advancement.
2. Not all vaccines are 100% or last forever. For example, one MMR shot is 93%,78%, and 97% effective. Two shots are 97%, 88%, and 97% respectively. Tetanus on the other hand requires 6 shots as a child and then boosters every ten years as our body with that vaccine forgets and immunity diminishes.
3. Covid is not new. SARS and MERS were coronaviruses but not as contagious.
4. Science is messy. Mistakes in science is not profit that everything is wrong and to be ignored. If your house was not on fire and initially the fire dept said it looks like a short circuit started the fire but then later found out it was from a candle doesn’t mean your house didn’t burn down. As evidence is gathered we learn more and make a Hypothesis on parts we don’t know. Some we prove to be true and others we are not proven.
4. Plandemic is ridiculous. Regardless of what political party you belong to the idea that the whole world conspired to tank their economies is just ridiculous. Have you seen how messed up poor and developing countries have had it with COVID? Look at Alaska right now. They are drowning in COVID and are having to triage who gets a vent. This is happening in our country.
5. Covid is not the flu. Where I live we were once the hot spot in the world and our hospitals were overflowing and we were going to use the large indoor sports arena as a temporary hospital if needed.
6. Any decision in life is a risk/benefit ratio of maintaining the status quo and risk of doing something different. The Covid vaccine is not 100%. That is accurate. It does clearly work and reduces the severity of the illness. Look at the numbers of people hospitalized, in ICU and on a ventilator and there are some who were vaccinated but the majority are unvaccinated.
7. Vaccine research takes time and the first part was not rushed. That was all legit. The part we don’t know is how long will immunity last, how many boosters, how far apart should they be spaced, etc are the questions we don’t know. When we have the luxury of time we use that but time is not something we have when hospitals are overflowing and people are dying at a rate higher than normal pre-Covid.

I will say this has been political on all sides and let’s try to remember we(literally we as in the whole world) are in this together.

If you have points to make please be polite. Use references. Making outlandish claims and then stating the proof is destroyed implies you are some top level government official which if that were the case why are you sharing your info on a site that likes to talk about spanking and ball gags or you are crazy or off your meds or unwilling to listen to something different.

I also don’t want to hear about being forced to do something as we already require vaccines to go to public school, colleges, universities, some employers, etc.

Claiming that being forced to wear a mask for public health is unamerican is hard to believe. Almost every restaurant in the USA has a “no shirt, no shoes, no service” sticker on their doors when you walk in. They have been there for years. I have yet to see one person who is protesting mask mandates standing outside McDonald’s in their Speedo with signs demanding they should be able to get there Big Mac in just their underwear yet.

If these types of rules are un-American then why not start there?

Are you advocating we get rid of all vaccine requirements?

That being said, Covid is way worse than the vaccine. The risk/benefit ratio highly favors getting the shot.


Bbwpussyeater2 69M
51 posts
10/5/2021 12:36 pm

Follow the money...somebody please let me know when the manufacturer of these shots can be sued for adverse side effects , including death...lets see you can now sue and collect from the use of baby powder..something we all have had trust in for over 75 years, then there is Zantac, pulled after about 15 years of FDA approved use..wow the list is endless of drugs and materials in our lives that are now, years later proven to be really harmful..so I will be waiting and watching also..why take a chance of messing up my immune system that has kept me from being even the least little bit sick in the last 50 years..Not a day of work missed..as to killing other people by not taking the jab, now thats funny, if you have taken it, you are protected..iwhen you took your polio and small pox shots..you are protected..end of story, nobody gets either if they have taken those vaccines..NOBODY....your body , your choice..oh and BTW to get the real number of Americans that have died FROM covid..not WITH covid..check with the life insurance claims departments, I spent 25 years there..anybody curious as to why the industry has not put a moratorium on writing new business? But instead is really cranked up advertising and new business sales..


nolady_osn 36F
26 posts
10/5/2021 1:52 pm

    Quoting brandygirasol:
    Well its an experimental Gene Thearapy Drug with mRNA - Graphene Oxide- and Spike Proteins with zero long term study of the effects on human beings- and NEVER before used in the entire history of vaccines NOT EVER .... So its all based on FAKE SCIENCE pushed by CORRUPT POLITICS and thus its not a REAL "vaccine" so who cares how Rosa spells it.....
@kinkydom

Thanks for adding a few more facts and show up a bit more of the complexity of the case. Unfortunately some people are unable to cope with complexity in this world and want simple black/white solutions. Like here: If a vaccine does not provide sterile immunity, it is not a vaccine . Or unable to interpret statistical data and realize, that the risk/benefit ratio for everyone is so clearly in favour of a vaccine

There is an old saying by one of the most famous German writers, Friedrich Schiller 'Against stupidity even the gods struggle in vain" and i have given up discussing with those people. You have to choose with whom you discuss this, otherwise it is a waste of time. I have convinced some acquaintances to get a shot but those were willing to study data available and open to factual information.


rosaenaluin 65F
11002 posts
10/6/2021 1:23 am

Kinkydom, Bbwp, no_lady,
Thank you, very much for your reaction.

I am glad i life in a free world, where i can have free choice and you too.

nolady, i never said anything about sterile immunity.
You did read something i did not write.
I only report about all the strange side effects, of this said 'vaccin'...

Bbw;
indeed; follow the money, and you get a whole other story.... picture...
thank you for your contribution.


Kinkydom01123 43M

10/6/2021 6:51 am

Good morning. I had posted before but not sure why it didn’t show up.

A few things:
-we are adults, let’s behave like it. Behaving like a child or baby May be a kink but this is not play.
-if you make claims be sure to back it up with proof. Reciting talking points from your favorite news /entertainment site does not count and saying “fake news” is just immature and lazy.

Before I address Covid some basics about vaccines as everyone seems to need a lesson.
1. Vaccines along with clean water have had greatest impact on humanity and public health.
2. Not all vaccines are the same. 2 MMR vaccines are 97%, 88%,and 97% effective. Tetanus requires 5-6 as a child and we still need a booster every 10 years. Recently pertussis was added back as we learned we needed a booster as some people can be carriers and asymptotic. Have you had a child or grandchild in last 10 years? If so I will bet you were asked to get a tetanus booster(TDaP) which the “P” is pertussis. I can give more examples if you wish.
3. Normal vaccine research takes years. That is true but misleading. The first part has been done correctly. The vaccine works. The part we don’t know is how many, how often, spacing between boosters, etc. When time is on our side we do this but FDA also has ability to fast track things nos that show results are hen need is pressing or some other reason. The research is there. We are just learning as we go.
4. The vaccine works. It is not 100% but lessons the severity of the illness. Look at any hospital system and the majority hospitalized, in ICU, and on vents are all unvaccinated. I am talking high 90s.
5. COVID is not the flu. When hospitals are overrun and setting up tent ICUs and triaging care this should be enough to prove otherwise. The last flu to be comparable is 1918.
6. Plandemic is ridiculous. To think that the whole world especially China would tank their economy for what doesn’t make sense.
7. Finally saying being forced to get a vaccine is unamerican or to wear a mask infringes on your rights I have questions because I don’t understand.
a. Are you in favor of abolishing all vaccine requirements for jobs, schools, etc?
b. What rights are being violated?
c. If wearing a mask for public health is a violation do you also believe the “no shirt, no shoes, no service” is a violation? I have yet to see any anti- mask protesters outside of McDonald’s demanding they can get their Big Mac and fries in their underwear.

I ask these questions in hopes of civil dialogue.


brandygirasol 55T
9432 posts
10/6/2021 9:57 am

HEART MUSCLE INFLAMATION = Today Sweden halted giving the "vaccine" injections to younger people because of these alarming side effects GOOGLE IT


brandygirasol 55T
9432 posts
10/6/2021 10:53 am

    Quoting brandygirasol:
    HEART MUSCLE INFLAMATION = Today Sweden halted giving the "vaccine" injections to younger people because of these alarming side effects GOOGLE IT
OOPSY sorry I made a mistake I should have said that both SWEDEN & DENMARK have now today halted the "vaccine" injections due to BAD SIDE EFFECTS


rosaenaluin 65F
11002 posts
10/6/2021 1:22 pm

The rate of people dying in Israel is very, very high....
But you dont read anything about thát in the regular papers/news....?

What i mentioned about blood cloths and the female cycle was in a regular online paper from Deventer in Holland...

Slowly and steadily, i hope, there are more and more wistle blowers who speak up.
Who will leak the facts to the media, who might be willing to publish it....

There are also more and more people who regret they did take the shot.

Thank you, Brandy.


brandygirasol 55T
9432 posts
10/7/2021 5:31 am

Rosa slowly the truth is emerging out of the censorship fog.... On MSM they are saying the "varients" in the virus are caused by the vaccinations!!! All the new hospitalizations are the "vaccinated" who got the JAB not the rest of us!!! This is from the MAINSTREAM NEWS (not right wing anti-vax media) .... The TRUTH is coming out that the "vaccines" do not work AND are also creating bad side effects which explains WHY the "authorities" say everyone needs booster shot after booster shot- because they won't admit they are LIARS


brandygirasol 55T
9432 posts
10/7/2021 5:52 am

Today FINLAND now joins SWEDEN & DENMARK = no more vax injections for young people and I ask you that when these "vaccines" are causing HEART INFLAMATION in young persons what kind of problems are they going to discover affecting older people who got the JAB???


brandygirasol 55T
9432 posts
10/7/2021 8:27 am

    Quoting  :

NOBODY around here knows enough to debate anything- so I'm not trying to "debate" just posting REAL information. Easy to show up and call people names isn't it??? Like me calling you a RETARD right back at you!!!


rosaenaluin 65F
11002 posts
10/7/2021 12:24 pm

Please!
No name calling!
This matter is way too important for that.
We are NOT in kindergarten!

Everyone is entitled to have her of his own oppinion.
And i too.
Take the shot or not, we are all human being,
behave your self!

I am talking about facts out of the mainstream media
Not some leftwing, commu bullshit./ or wright wing bla bla...

brandy;
i call this whole show a group psychose...
It is unbelievable, when you talk to, with people, who you know as being intelligent folks, and then they change, and loose all their intelligence..... or so it seems.
Groups psychose.
WHo knows, maybe in 3 to 5 years from now, we will know the facts about this whole madness...

There are scientists in Israel, who speak about homocide/ genocide, even worst, more malicious, then what happened to them, in the 2e world war......

I will read any other reaction, but i dont feel the need to go into a debate, just like Brandy said.
This is my view, my writing, as said before;
You Dont Have To Agree.
You Are Entitled To Have Your Own View On Thiis Matter.

Thank you.
Be well and be safe, healthy.


brandygirasol 55T
9432 posts
10/8/2021 5:30 am

Rosa makes good sense and everyone needs to review the evidence- or lack thereof- and come to your own conclusions. New information is available every day so please don't get in a rut- keep an open mind. I'm not into name calling but IF attacked I will hit back .... Unless of course you are a DOM I've agreed to be submissive to!!!


rosaenaluin 65F
11002 posts
10/9/2021 1:33 am

Brandy, i understand, and you have that right, too

But things can turn soo nasty in as split second.
I dont want that on my blog.

The thing is, especially here, in Holland the governemt; the Herr Rutte is been lying through his teeths about this, sooo many times now...
he is totally inreliable to me.
Also his minister; male bitch boy, has "lost"miljoens of euros!
Nobody knows where that money has gone
There is no envestigation on that, too

it stinks on all sides!
An other guy, one of the 'friends' of the mininster, did get filthy rich by selling those masks, while he promised (?) to give the money to a good cause

I think, he made himself a good cause!
disgusting, scruplus.

Oke, have a good day, evening, afternoon and enjoy life!!


Wastingtime435 43M
11 posts
10/11/2021 2:20 pm

I had no side effects when I had my vaccine. I understand not everyone trusts science, but if you don't want the vaccine, then stand by your convictions and don't go to the hospital if you get covid. Hospitals are for those who believe in medical science, not for people who only believe in it when it's convenient.


rosaenaluin 65F
11002 posts
10/12/2021 2:02 am

no_unicorn,

Thát is exactly what is going on, behind all this "you need to take the shot" propaganda.

While, they, the official organisations, first told us, overhere in Holland, that we needed 80 % vaccinated people.
We, In Holland are allready onto the 80 %!
So, they can quit the vaccin war!

Now, all of the sudden that number is not good anymore, and they want 90 %, with all the extra shots.....

Here in Holland a lot of older people, all vaccinated, in a care house, all died.
Or they gave corona to the staff...

It is not cosher, this whole thing......


rosaenaluin 65F
11002 posts
10/12/2021 2:11 am

wastingtime,
Nó,
hospitalls are not for those who believe in medical science, they are for those who need medical attention and care, in some way of form.

There are a lot of people, who go to the Hospital, out of neccessety, but are very sceptical about the expertise of the doctors and other medicinal staff...

I am very glad you did not have any side effects of the vaccine.
Good for you!


rosaenaluin 65F
11002 posts
10/14/2021 11:38 am

Jaysandy,

Yes, that is something i have heard too...


tastetester61 62M
1777 posts
10/28/2021 4:17 pm

You should see what death does to your blood.


Here4thefood 43M
10 posts
10/31/2021 10:26 pm

Has anyone here looked at the Herman Cain awards


Dapperdanar 63M

11/2/2021 3:19 am

Gotta laugh at these left wing self anointed superior intellectuals bragging how smart they think they are.

Ponder this ...the CENSORSHIP of the media against DISCUSSION of the van's should scare the hell out of anybody with functioning brain cell's.

I came from a time when true intellectuals sought out the truth, not blindly accepting told to them by the media like many of you have done.

May GOD protect those young enough from any effects from these poisons, but you damn sure didn't think of that did you?

Fuck no you didn't.



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